tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post807958734348861416..comments2024-03-28T11:45:24.378-07:00Comments on Tralfaz: Cue the CueYowphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09264605351878574044noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post-89400358896172422422015-08-25T09:53:07.471-07:002015-08-25T09:53:07.471-07:00Thanks, Yowp and Steve, for the clarifications.Thanks, Yowp and Steve, for the clarifications.rnigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01370724366178429029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post-26499457165498617822015-08-24T07:00:01.739-07:002015-08-24T07:00:01.739-07:00PS The scene I mentioned in my last comment was ri...PS The scene I mentioned in my last comment was right AFTER Wile E. got that beard of dust that Yowp mentioned.<br /><br />Musician and fellow researcher Piet Schrueders of Beau Hunks fame, in 1998 ("Cartoon music in 1958," rec.arts.animation-warner-bros (forgot exact name of newsgroup)) mentioned a cue sheet for "Gopher Broke", dated October 11,1958, though the cartoon itself was released on November 15,1958:<br />Among those: the one usually used on Quick Draw<br />Original EM-CT-3 (Philip Green) <br />Sublime Ghost (note--this is the TC-22 Hi-Q cue used on Yogi Bear like in the early scenes in, I believe, "Space Bear" (along with a rare suspenseful Green cue) and in Huckleberry Hound a lot, like in the open to "Astro Nut Huck" or whatveer that's called in when the potato starts transforming before the other cue by R.Kraushaar(?) is used in "Spud Dud"<br />Steve CPokeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936757752447320636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post-31367153007965732212015-08-23T11:41:35.314-07:002015-08-23T11:41:35.314-07:00APM is a distributor. The cues are owned by EMI Bl...APM is a distributor. The cues are owned by EMI Blackwood Music.Yowphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09264605351878574044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post-28382179974546687402015-08-23T10:29:00.444-07:002015-08-23T10:29:00.444-07:00rnigma:
'Doesn't Associated Production Mus...rnigma:<br />'Doesn't Associated Production Music own the SHaindlin cues in their Cinemusic Package?"<br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />Unfortunately, not all..Pokeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936757752447320636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post-20421900087498764842015-08-23T10:28:04.041-07:002015-08-23T10:28:04.041-07:00PS I think that the one I'm referring to is &q...PS I think that the one I'm referring to is "Gumby Bridge" (Seely-Loose). One isn't mentioned, but Yowp posted it over a few years ago when he had some Spencer Moore cues:<br />L-92 is used in both the Road Runners-<br />"Hook Line and Stinker"-starting the Rube Goldberg gag that closes the cartoon (with "Gumby Chase", George Hormel's ZR-50, another of "Gumby Bridge" and then finally "Gumby Tag')<br /><br />"Hip Hip Hurry",itself a real oddity with composer Henry Russell's cues being the usual ones, L-92 in this case being used for the "Wile E. rolling bolder off a cliff" bit (and then it falls off.)<br /><br />I'd love to know what the one used in "Pre-Hysterical Hare" when we first see Bugs Bunny's prehistoric cousin emerge (it's also used in Gumby, all throughout "Gopher Trouble/Fantastic Farmer" and has a drolly creeepy tuba and oboe and a bouncy melody. Sounds either like a Spencer Moore or Phil Green tune. I doubt Jack Shaindlin or Raoul Kraushaar's cues ever were used in those six shorts..)<br /><br />On one of the file sharing sites, I got a couple of tense/dramaticf Seely-Loose cues, and a few used in "Pre-Hysterical hare" are used, the two consecutive ones when Bugs Bunny sets up his projector and watches the "moving pucture films"-"Tension", then "Agitato"(used in the "Hideous Sun Demon" ad narrtaed by Paul Frees..on YOuTube.. and the Gumby short "The Glob" when the "Glob" emerges from the book he, Gumby and Pokey were in!!!)SCPokeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936757752447320636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post-26057900549800105262015-08-23T10:09:58.765-07:002015-08-23T10:09:58.765-07:00So Capitol owned the music that long,then,into 200...So Capitol owned the music that long,then,into 2005 (when the Huck DVD came out)l.<br /><br />On TC-303, Yowp mentions Loose and Seely wrote it but I thought that (as mentioned in the December 2009 "Cartoon Music for Huck and Yogi" entry on this blog) that TC-303 was ACTUALLY written by David Rose but contractually waived in terms of credit and ownership to Seely and Loose (same for many other Rose compositions and other cvomposers, applying also to composers working with Jack Shaindlin-see April 2010's "The Compleate Cartoon Shaindlin").Pokeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936757752447320636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post-660590083296000992015-08-23T06:16:32.043-07:002015-08-23T06:16:32.043-07:00Doesn't Associated Production Music own the Sh...Doesn't Associated Production Music own the Shaindlin cues (in their Cinemusic package)?<br /><br />So George Hormel and Geordie Hormel are one and the same. I heard that he owned a recording studio in L.A., and offered free use of it to any member of Monty Python, because he loved their "Spam" sketch.rnigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01370724366178429029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post-41623325320539836832015-08-23T01:42:59.052-07:002015-08-23T01:42:59.052-07:00Because the rights holders, from what I was told, ...Because the rights holders, from what I was told, asked for far more from Warners than it did for the small company involved in the Gumby release.Yowphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09264605351878574044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post-87442765233426952972015-08-23T01:41:06.696-07:002015-08-23T01:41:06.696-07:00Rnigma, yes, Loose reworked it into the Dennis the...Rnigma, yes, Loose reworked it into the Dennis theme. Geordie Hormel's family were meat-packers behind Spam. <br />The way the Hi-Q rights were explained to me, when the Huck and Yogi DVDs came out, Capitol still controlled the recordings. Now they have reverted to the heirs of the composers. Warners and Bill Loose's widow couldn't agree on a price for their use, nether could Warners and the owners of the Langlois (Jack Shaindlin) cues. Yowphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09264605351878574044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post-11671726929694947362015-08-22T21:54:47.428-07:002015-08-22T21:54:47.428-07:00Chandler-Williams is Bluestone-Cadkin. (Which Yowp...Chandler-Williams is Bluestone-Cadkin. (Which Yowp mentioned in 2009's "The Augie Music of Cadkin-Bluestone"<br /><br />I noticed William Loose's C-5 is used, which IS true for another of the "Seely Six", "Gopher Broke"(November 15,1958) but I don't recognize it here. I wonder what the cue (used in "Dennis" when Dennis makes a cute funny comment and scurries off, and in the early Gumby short from 1956 "Too Loo", which ALSO used the original "Gumby Chase" that became the Dennis theme (these Dennis Connections!) as in the Coyote's jaw dropping as a reaction to the Roadrunner's initial; zipping off in the open scene right as the credits (in "Too Loo" it's the first tune used when the title talking sentient music note-children appear, and jump out of a record into Gumby's mouth!) Sounds similiar to the middle eight of the Seely-Loose piece TC-205 used in Huuckleberry, Gumby, and Quick Draw..SCPokeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936757752447320636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post-55576187198023662682015-08-22T20:37:48.170-07:002015-08-22T20:37:48.170-07:00Coincidentally enough, it was recently announced t...Coincidentally enough, it was recently announced that the 1950's Gumby series is <a href="http://blogs.indiewire.com/animationscoop/ncircle-to-release-the-gumby-show-the-complete-50s-series-on-dvd-20150819/" rel="nofollow">coming out on DVD</a> apparently with the Capitol cues intact. Which begs the question (repeated ad infinitum on the Yowp blogs) of why we can't expect a release of the Huckleberry/Quick Draw series long held hostage by Warner Video seemingly because of said cues, when a small label like the one has no qualms in ponying up the dough for the royalties.<br /><br />ReplyDeletetop_cat_jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06365510398800837335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3738012638904762739.post-31233247210279432952015-08-22T19:54:26.722-07:002015-08-22T19:54:26.722-07:00So basically, the "Gumby chase" cue used...So basically, the "Gumby chase" cue used in "Hook, Line and Stinker" was a sort of prototype for the Dennis theme.<br />And i notice the music in the "Seely 6" wasn't exclusively from Hi-Q. I presume George Hormel was heir to the Spam fortune?<br />What's the story behind the current rights to the Hi-Q cues? <br /><br />I can only guess that the disgruntled AFM members forming the splinter union felt that Petrillo's actions were costing them jobs - for instance, when in 1950 he coerced the broadcast networks to make payments to the AFM trust fund in addition to the musicians' salaries, which led to many radio and TV shows dropping their orchestras in favor of small combos, a single organist, or library music. After Petrillo's retirement, the trust fund demands were dropped.<br /><br />rnigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01370724366178429029noreply@blogger.com